Friday, October 20, 2006

thoughts on comments

In the wake of our very own commenting flap, its been an interesting self-analysis to see how well we've fared against our own recommendations and ideas posted here on the new media blog.


As I wrote regarding Washington Post's experience in January:


From experience, you cannot make effective use w/reader comments without moderation (or at least continuous monitoring). Its crucial on a lot of levels. Setting up an unattended forum and stepping back is NOT reader engagement. You can either be a passive facilitator or take an active hand in closing the media gap.


Yet we went to a semi-automated system ourselves in May. Why? Manhours. The volume was simply overwhelming.

The semi-automated system kept commentors who had a record of more than 5 percent of their posts deleted on a manual approval track; everyone else went through automatically. The idea was to keep an eye on the more flagrant abusers while people with a good record would be allowed a free pass. A reporting mechanism was put in place for commentors to report violations that appeared.

What we found was that the new system was vulnerable, that the reporting mechanism itself wasn't well worded and also open to misuse, and that the increased flow of comment activity (due to instant appearance on the site of most posts) made it harder than ever to keep discussions on point.

We have been able to keep a pulse on activity, though not as much as we could when we had a fully moderated operation. We were able to react swiftly in this case, which may not have been possible had we left things fully unattended. On the other hand, could we have pre-empted the entire episode had we been fully moderated? Chances are much much higher that we could have, but there's never a 100 percent certainty in this arena.

I have been disappointed in the use of the reporting mechanism, but we'll own a lot of that ourselves due to its wording. We've rewritten this function to make it unequivocally clear that readers can - and should - remove a questionable comment for additional review. In my view, a significant factor of that day's escalation occurred because readers opted to call the offenders to task via more posts, rather than reporting the offenses. I've also seen users take down each other's post out of spite - a kind of Zen trolling behavior.

Interestingly enough, most of our regular commentors have been quite supportive of us through this reassessment phase, with many of them emailing us saying they too had become discouraged with the quality of discussion. Some have lobbied charges of censorship and stifling dissent, particularly so close to the elections, but on the whole the feedback we're getting is that yes, we've been too lax.

As regular Eldon Howell emailed me, "I think you've gotta get tough", and his sentiment has been echoed by many others.

But how tough is tough? The event raises the broader issue of who owns the public dialogue with the news. Views on this point have spanned widely across the spectrum, not only across the newsroom but across the range of public feedback we've received as well. I find it interesting and encouraging that differing philosophies and points of view managed to arrive at the same conclusion (though for very different reasons and motives)- the need of a tighter reign on the quality of discussion.

Wherever you find yourself on that line, any relationship implies trust. The web department trusts the public to share with us their voice and opinion, and the public in turn trusts us - and to an extent themselves - to maintain that dialogue in an appropiate manner.

But it's not "us" and "them" - we are and should be a very part of the community we serve. I've long been passionate about closing that gap. It seems to me that in the effort to faciltate ease and speed of discussion, a sense of separation came and we all may have felt less engaged, less connected. Maybe even less trusted, or willing to trust. We increased the quanitity of discussion, but inadvertently decreased trust, and therefore quality, and connectedness.

When we return in a modified way - scheduled for Monday morning - I'm looking forward to reconnecting.

Thursday, July 13, 2006

Participatory journalism in Mumbai

Our hearts go out to those in Mumbai in the wake of this week's attacks. Thoughts and prayers go out to all Mumbaikars.

Having some personal interest ties to India, I have been watching Indian media for a while, and have wanted to blog on some of their online work. The initiatives and efforts of the Indian press were indeed showcased this week as they covered the Mumbai train attacks.

Some Indian press is doing a remarkably good job of incorporating citizen reports to this event, particularly the IBN-CNN site and BBC South Asia.

Times of India and the Press Trust of India are also providing good coverage.

At this hour, the death toll is at 198 with 714 injured, according to IBN-CNN. The prime suspected organizations are the banned Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Pakistani-based terror outfit Lashkar-e-Toiba.

The IBN-CNN site is of particular note; yesterday they had citizens post eyewitness pictures and today saw the beginning of a reader-generated missing persons page.

They also have a page featuring comments from both regular citizens and higher-profile Mumbai-based celebs. As is sometimes the case here, the reader comments on this particlular article were more fascinating than than the article, particlularly one reader taking the celeb establishment to task for what he viewed as a stock soundbite response while denying their own industry's connections to organized crime.

Last week IBN had a great series of reader submitted photos and videos on the monsoon flooding in Mumbai, well presented and collated by online staffers on this page.

An interesting discussion is developing at Times of India with editors asking for public feedback on the TOI.com decision not to run graphic images. Entitled "Gory Pix: our call, your vote", the paper asks:

As news of one of the worst terror attacks ever started to come in, photographs too poured in. Many of which explicitly showed the carnage and human loss caused by the seven blasts. Unlike television channels beaming images of blood and gore, we at www.timesofindia.com took a call not to display such pictures on the website. We felt it would only add to the deep despair of the moment. We showed instead the damage caused and, more importantly, the resilience and humanity of Mumbaikars. Do you think we have done the right thing? Or would you rather have us put up all photographs from the site of tragedy without filter?

The discussion seems to balance in support of TOI's restraint, but there are some opinions claiming the event needs to not be sanitized.

TOI offers both reader comments and readers rating, as do CNN-IBN and other papers, but the extent of participation at TOI has always seemed muted compared to the CNN-IBN intitatives, at least since I've been watching Indian media over the past six or eight months. CNN - IBN seem to have built the critical mass needed to mobilize an effective response from readers .

Interestingly one of the boldest experiments in citizen journalism, India's Merinews.com,
is curiously disconected from this event. What seems to have had good promise initally on their launcha few months ago now feels like a central clearing board for various causes. Which is certainly a valid and substantive inititaitve, and the causes are worthy, but they're not obtaining the civic response from an event like this that I would have hoped for. I think they have a great idea and potential however, and it's an effort well worth supporting and and watching as it develops.

This tragedy is having a little resonance on the personal home front as well, as I'm due to be in Mumbai at the end of August. My kids are a little worried, but I'm proceeding as planned. If anything the heightened state of security may make the situation overall a little safer.

Tuesday, January 24, 2006

Brady 's bunch; Round table talk at the post

Jim Brady will gather some folks for a Round Table discussion at the Post tomorrow with:
Jeff Jarvis, Buzz Machine
Jane Hamsher, firedoglake
Jay Rosen, PressThink
Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit
Jim Brady, washingtonpost.com

I pre-sent my two cents worth in advance - a quick summation of the earlier posts and some of my comments on other blogs from over the past day or so. The submission form had server problems, so I don't know if it made it through:

Ive been thinking about your current situation, as we've had good success w/ handling reader comments on every news article. It does make a better newsroom.

Jim, you've stated that the posters didnt abide by the rules - yet I can't see any rules, or links to rules, on your site. Are there rules governing posting behavior and if so where?

From experience, you cannot make effective use w/reader comments without moderation (or at least continuous monitoring). Its crucial on a lot of levels. Setting up an unattended forum and stepping back is NOT reader engagement. You can either be a passive facilitator or take an active hand in closing the media gap.

You'll also need to establish clear authority for your dept over reporters w/an interactive net presence.If its an issue grown on the web, at that moment they must report to you.

Just my 2 cents from the field. Best of luck, and we'll be watching :-)



The only other thing I can suggest are more specifics re basic online community management ideas: get a verifiable full name and email adress; do not allow anonymous posting (this cuts down the 'road rage' factor); good filtering system; perhaps a waiting period between sign up and allowing a post; a link to rules at every submit comment form; and keep abreast of internet libel law cases moving through the courts.

I think WP has their heart in the right place for reader participation, and I do wish him, sincerely: "Good Luck, Jim."

Monday, January 23, 2006

Further thoughts on WPNI comment shutdown

The journalism blogoshpere is still on this story, with one of the better ongoing discussions occuring at PressThink.

What they need to do now:

1) To answer charges that the comments were deleted based on viewpoint and not language, they need to make all the deleted comments available by request or behind some kind of secure firewall. Alternatively, go back and hand-edit the foul language out of all the posts (A previous poster had also thought this way before I posted on the PressThink blog). This is the fastest way WPNI can restore its trust and transparency to the online readership.

2) Set up a moderating system for blogs. Comments must be pre approved, and a light presence established. A well trained moderator would have stopped this in the bud and chanelled the discussion more effectively but still on topic.

3)Give moderators or someone at post.com the resources and authority to bring affected participants into the mix. In this case, a moderator observing the build up could have contacted Howell and have her respond. Any blogger on post.com must agree to respond immediately if so contacted. If I'm reading the timeline right, this built from Sunday to Thursday, which is far too long on the net.

Its a problem as newsrooms work with their online components, as chains of authority havent been thought out. But at the moment this started, post.com should have been her effective boss and required a timely response, fact checking, etc from Howell.

4) Visibly post clear rules of engagement for commentors. Enforce them.

Others will come to mind as I think more on this.

Friday, January 20, 2006

the Post's unpatrolled playground

Its interesting to see other, more established media firms trying their hand at opening the news process to the public, and how well they succeed - or not.

An egregious lapse in judgment was the LA Times disastrous attempt last June , which led to an onslaught of porn pix and obscene language, since they didn't pre-screen the photos or submissions.

Other papers, however, have been far more successful. In particular, washingtonpost.com has done some outstanding work with blogs, and their trademark live chats with reporters were one of the first initiatives anywhere to break down the wall between trad media and the public. They also were among the first to give that public a sounding space via their general message boards.

In the interest of disclosure, I did get a chance to see their office and operation in November, and I came away quite impressed.

But washingtonpost.com (also known hereafter as WPNI, for the online operations collective of Washington Post Newsweek Interactive) got hit yesterday as nasty reader comments barraged their ombudsman's blog post on Abramoff. Executive editor Jim Brady and staffers scrambled to clean the carnage, as they also do not pre-approve their comments.

Overwhelmed, they finally had to announce a shut-down of comments altogether for this particluar blog. Brady faced the music by discussing the event in an online chat the next morning (Friday, Jan 20).

The chat transcript with Brady is an interesting read: the public's frustration at being suddenly censored versus WPNI's faith in unfettered dialogue. Having worked with our online readership via comments to a great extent (its the cornerstone of our readership engagement), some observations come to mind:

A parenting or playground analogy is useful here. Kids need defined limits, and online community management is no different. By not firmly establishing or posting clear rules and guidelines (at least not that I can see visibly on their site - and if you have to hunt for it, then its not clear enough. We have a link to rules right by the submit form), by not maintaining a light presence to remind the readers of the parameters, WPNI in effect encourages - or at least leaves open the risk of - bad behavior. Classic kid stuff.

The playground of public dialogue was left unpatrolled at recess, and recess rules weren't well explained or reinforced to begin with.

A reason too often cited for a 'hands off' approach to reader comments is a legal one. Many papers I talk to on this issue are advised by their legal team that if you're not monitoring at all, you're less liable or responsible. I call this the 'ignorance is bliss' school of legal thought, and it has its basis in a 1995 case (Stratton Oakmont, 1995 WL323710). The ruling in Stratton held an interactive service provider (Prodigy) liable because it generally reviewed posted content and made this policy known. But Congress realized the inherent disincentive: if efforts to actively monitor and review obscene material actually made you more liable for its appearance, you might as well not bother at all. So Congress enacted Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act to help correct the Stratton ruling.

Thsi isn't meant to be a big post on internet libel law; suffice to say CDA 230(c) was used in a landmark case (2003's Batzel vs Cremers), oft-touted as positive for interactive providers but still leaves some risk of liability if someone advances the theories in Judge Gould's dissent on an appeal or subsequent case.

More recent cases and legal activity are mixed in outcome. Important current (and seemingly contradictory) developments I blogged on here. More cases are on the docket for 2006 - and more papers are venturing in this direction - so it will pay to keep a very close watch.

I fully support Brady's stance of keeping things civil, as he explains in the transcript. We try to do the same. So it's not a legal issue of letting the current deluge of obscenities through, per se. My point is pre-approval, and if the decision to not pre-screen is based on antiquated legal advice from WPNI attorneys, I'd say get after the legal team to do more current homework. You cannot predicate the rapid and momentous current changes in public information and media on 11-year-old Internet case law.

However, they do moderate their message boards and live chats - so why not reader comments on their blogs? A minor critique I have of WPNI is that the live chats and message boards feel separated from the rest of the news presentation, and I'd like to see a little deeper integration across these interactive features. I wonder if this lack of blog comment moderation is a part of this isolation.

There's also a host of other open-media reasons to be more engaged by actively moderating reader input, as I've posted elsewhere throughout this blog.

I'm sure WPNI will ride this out and come up with good solutions that work for them. Jim's gathering some bloggers and journalists for an online discussion about all this, according to the chat transcript. If I can help, I'm happy to be available.